FREEDOM SPEAK-1: Topics change frequently.

#26 07-29-2008 22:48

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Re: FREEDOM SPEAK-1: Topics change frequently.

I'm for the death penalty for people who have committed very serious crimes multiple times. They most likely won't change, and their death may bring some comfort to the victim's families - not to mention that it costs money to keep them in their separate cell, because you can't even put them with regular prisoners!

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#27 07-29-2008 22:55

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I guess I agree if they are serial killers or something. But in that case even I ask myself..shouldnt they be in a mental ward instead? Because if you can be a multiple killer you must seriously need therapy. I still find it difficult to play god though no matter what the person did. it is enough to let them live with their guilt for me but then ...I havent had a loved one murdered..thankfully...so, I shouldn't be so hastey should I? Thanks for your post Chestra! ;O)

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#28 07-30-2008 02:29

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Re: FREEDOM SPEAK-1: Topics change frequently.

Ω - I subscribe to the "Eye for an Eye" school of thought.  If someone has taken it upon themselves to end the life of another person, then their life is forfeit.  Sociaty has rules to keep us all safe, if you can't work within those parameters then you need to be removed (and if you are aware enough to realize this then you need to remove yourself)

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#29 07-30-2008 02:35

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Do your research on Ted Bundy.  An infamous serial killer.  He was able to escape prison and rape and murder a young girl.  If he had been "put down", he wouldn't have have been able to do that.  Death penalty cannot be dropped entirely because it is always possible to break out of prison.

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#30 07-30-2008 02:59

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I dont agree that some people should get second chances, and I dont think they should be sent to mental institutions either, Rapist should be murdered, killers should be murdered, because their victims wont have a second chance so neither should they. And as I said no most of them are not mentally ill I would say they are more sane that you and me put together.And also I dont think that they would feel remorse and if they do, I really coudnt care less about them. Its the victims families who have all my thoughts, love and prayers.


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#31 07-30-2008 03:04

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Actually, the majority of serial killers are sociopaths.  Even as children, they exhibit a lack of interest in sympathy or empathy.  They also found pleasure in the torture and pain of others.  And, they all had trouble with bedwetting.  A lot of them also had absent fathers and overbearing mothers (and not the kind that means well, either).
Serial killers tend to be easy to sort into two types: Organized and Disorganized.  The Organized serial killer tends to plan his murders and usually has a well-above average IQ.  The Disorganized is generally below-average IQ and is unable to deal well with reality issues.  They never plan their murders but, instead, act on their emotions.


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#32 07-30-2008 03:47

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I'm all for the death penalty for several of the same reasons as some of the other lovely ladies here. I'd also like to point out that Singapore, while extremely harsh on criminals of all kinds (you can be put to death for drug possession charges) has virtually no crime.


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#33 07-30-2008 08:12

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Re: FREEDOM SPEAK-1: Topics change frequently.

Perhaps a killer who is obviously insane and only killed someone ONCE should be sent to a mental ward, but a serial killer has something seriously wrong with them that cannot be fixed. Keeping them is just a money drain, and dangerous - they might escape, or kill the people attending to them.

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#34 07-30-2008 08:23

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Re: FREEDOM SPEAK-1: Topics change frequently.

Cryzilla wrote:

Do your research on Ted Bundy.  An infamous serial killer.  He was able to escape prison and rape and murder a young girl.  If he had been "put down", he wouldn't have have been able to do that.  Death penalty cannot be dropped entirely because it is always possible to break out of prison.

I was always amazed by Ted Bundy. One of my English certificates is on serial killers and their portrayals in books, music and movies.

To think how well educated he was... makes you think, doesn't it?


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#35 07-30-2008 09:15

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VickiVale wrote:

I'm all for the death penalty for several of the same reasons as some of the other lovely ladies here. I'd also like to point out that Singapore, while extremely harsh on criminals of all kinds (you can be put to death for drug possession charges) has virtually no crime.

Talk about harsh. If that was the case in England there would be hardly anyone living here. ;O) God. I can't imagine living someplace where they would kill you for possession.

Also..to add on all of your posts, it may be a money drain to keep people like that around by imprisoning them for life instead of killing them but maybe we could try to use them more for research to find out what makes a person turn and when exactly they do turn to such violent crimes. Get inside and have a look around. Instead of killing them maybe we could try to use them to find a answers and come up with solutions. Makes them sound like lab rats doesn't it? But I would rather have lab rats then just kill kill kill.

I can understand feeling bad for the ones who have lost someone, it's logical to think that way. However, what about the innocent family of the guilt party too. (I am not referring to an overbearing abusive mom or dad that shaped them into a monster) What about the sister or brother or nieces, etc. that had nothing to do with their relatives crimes and  now they have to live with shame and no hope for their guilty family member to reform or get professional help so that maybe one day they could redeem themselves in some way. Just a thought anyways.

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#36 07-30-2008 13:54

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I don't beleive in the death penalty cause I just think it's the easy way out. I beleive in torture though. If those killers tortured there victims whether it be rape, beating, stabbing etc Then I think they should have the same happen to them but for the rest of there lives. There are some really sick people out there and to be given the death penalty I think is easy they die they stop feeling. They live get a bit tortured everyday then they're paying for there crimes.
Also don't forget some innocent people have also been put on deathrow and are usually only proven innocent after they die . Another reason why i'm against the death penalty


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#37 07-31-2008 15:46

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misstosca wrote:

I don't beleive in the death penalty cause I just think it's the easy way out. I beleive in torture though. If those killers tortured there victims whether it be rape, beating, stabbing etc Then I think they should have the same happen to them but for the rest of there lives. There are some really sick people out there and to be given the death penalty I think is easy they die they stop feeling. They live get a bit tortured everyday then they're paying for there crimes.
Also don't forget some innocent people have also been put on deathrow and are usually only proven innocent after they die . Another reason why i'm against the death penalty

And wouldn't it be aweful though if those innocent ones were getting all this torture? At least I guess if they were found innocent at any time that they could be released and still have their lives but there would have to be some major compensation.
Torture seems almost ok though..better than death. ;O) coeur

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#38 07-31-2008 16:00

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I am for the death penalty. even if these people are mentally challenged they do us no good. sitting in prison or in a hospital I am still footing the bill. Also I think that random crime rates might drop if people knew there was a stiffer price to pay other than 3 hots and a cot for the rest of their life. I love what that sheriff is Airizona has done. He is on the right track. and the BS of violating their civil right...HELLO you gave them up when you broke the law is the way i see it.


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#39 07-31-2008 16:22

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i agree with everything you said but i don't agree with the death penalty. Don't do to others what you don't want done to yourself thats my moto. So if you rape someone then I think they should be degraded and raped over and over again I think thats an even harsher price to pay than death.
But also it's hard to decide on  the right punishment because you could be punishing an innocent person whether it be by death or torture. So I think keep them in solitary confinement for the rest of there lives. No contact with anyone closed in a cage forever.


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#40 07-31-2008 16:28

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#41 07-31-2008 16:32

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tali??


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#42 07-31-2008 20:21

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Ω - Tali, as in Taliban

Regarding torture, that's just revenge in addition to being a way to feed some people's sadistic streaks.  Punishment should be free from emotion and be completely rational.  If a person commits a heinous crime then they should be removed from the populace in the most expedient manner possible.  Lowering ourselves to the level of criminals does NOT make us any better than them no matter what the justification.

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#43 07-31-2008 22:17

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hence solitary confinement for the rest of their lives...


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#44 08-01-2008 01:55

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misstosca wrote:

hence solitary confinement for the rest of their lives...

Ω - If you feel like fronting the money to house, clothe, and feed them, great ... but I really don't want my hard-earned money going to sustain them

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#45 08-01-2008 10:18

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i just don't want innocent people convicted of a crime they didn't commit being put to death then proven innocent afterwards. Its a difficult subject and i wasnt being totally serious about the torture but solitary confinement i think is next best thing for these murderous animals. But yes then its us tax payers that need to pay for them. Either ay its a lose lose situation


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#46 08-01-2008 20:12

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I agree with Misstosca, either way it is a lose lose situation. Just another thing in life to cause serious debates though isn't it? I was just curious what all of you thought. And I am glad you all posted. Thanks. ;O) -Caz

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#47 08-01-2008 21:07

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we need a topic change any ideas???


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#48 08-02-2008 17:16

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misstosca wrote:

we need a topic change any ideas???

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#49 08-02-2008 21:15

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i've actaullay spoken about abortion on the female body section but I don't mind talking about it here too
I agree with abortion to an extent. Mistakes happen and yes you can have an unwanted pregnancy and have no means to bring up that child or your bf leaves you, your too young or a number of reason. But to get pregnant twice and to have 2 abortions because they were 2 accidents then that i don't agree with. You should have learnt your lesson the 1st time round. I had a friend who did that the 1st time she was 24 I think and the 2nd time she was 30 so she wasnt a teenager and knew exactly what she was doing. I can't look at her the same way i lost abit of respect for her.


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#50 08-02-2008 21:31

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You get into trouble when you start saying one abortion is ok but no more than that, or that it's only okay if the woman has been raped, etc... Anything situational like that is just too subjective. Society can either enforce that a woman has the right to choose, or that every potential life has a chance.

I fully believe that a woman should have the right to a safe abortion. I could never personally make that decision, but that's my belief and that has nothing to do with any other women and their own beliefs. I certainly don't think politicians and officials have the right to make that choice for someone else.

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